tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post1689115368112494712..comments2024-03-17T14:07:44.438+01:00Comments on Red Programming Language: Leaping into the future: Red goes blockchain!Nenad Rakocevichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06600325626233743055noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-85634915728793223332017-12-30T22:56:35.203+01:002017-12-30T22:56:35.203+01:00https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/12/30/171...https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/12/30/1715210/blockchain-brings-business-boom-to-ibm-oracle-and-microsoft?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-65963691702073836092017-12-30T10:56:43.453+01:002017-12-30T10:56:43.453+01:00This is one of two industries that are becoming hy...This is one of two industries that are becoming hyped enough that it makes sense for Red to be focusing on. The other being Machine Learning/AI that could also benefit from a Red dialect. This one has the opportunity to bring in funding from a source of dare I say younger individuals, and not corporations that are mainly pushing machine learning.<br /><br />I look forward to continue learning Red, and thanks for all the hard work.William Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01790506275447076600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-6083594776591819312017-12-29T15:37:54.494+01:002017-12-29T15:37:54.494+01:00Having just woke up from a long hibernation here i...Having just woke up from a long hibernation here in the near arctic next to the polar ice cap; I see how massive this new direction could impact what I'm doing. This would be ideal for what I'm developing as well. A Rebol3, (and eventually RED), based full accounting software - soon with BlockChain support.GordonRhttps://www.facebook.com/gordon.raboudnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-15624650213370252262017-12-27T23:34:17.385+01:002017-12-27T23:34:17.385+01:00My worry is they've caught Rebol Inc's dis...My worry is they've caught Rebol Inc's disease of starting new stuff before finishing what they were already working on. How does the addition of blockchain support not reduce the number of man-hours they can put into getting Red to v1?<br /><br />I think they should read this: http://paulgraham.com/top.html<br /><br />The main point being: "I'd noticed startups got way less done when they started raising money, but it was not till we ourselves raised money that I understood why. The problem is not the actual time it takes to meet with investors. The problem is that once you start raising money, raising money becomes the top idea in your mind. That becomes what you think about when you take a shower in the morning. And that means other questions aren't."<br /><br />Maybe an ICO will get them the money they need to continue - I don't know. But I can't see how it'll get them to focus on getting Red to v1.<br /><br />As to Patreon, well the button could be added today as a suck it and see experiment, even if they go ahead with an ICO - it's not an either/or choice. And it'd give a good indication of how many really care about Red. Knowing that might impact on an ICO, of course. Maybe for the better, or maybe not...Carl Readnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-57075950691507784422017-12-27T19:22:50.680+01:002017-12-27T19:22:50.680+01:00My post from the #Red group on AltME rebol4 world ... My post from the #Red group on AltME rebol4 world reposted here:<br /><br />Here is my understanding of the Red announcement.<br /><br />Red's goal is to be a full-stack language. Blockchain is a part of the full stack.<br /><br />Red's goal is to complete its roadmap to 1.0. I believe the extra work required by the blockchain target is going to delay the roadmap when considering the existing human resources available.<br /><br />Red needs additional funding to expand the human resources available. An ICO is a very valid way to raise a lot of capital. One of my employees has over $500,000 in crypto assets and is very interested in investing in the RCT ICO, although he doesn't use Red or really understand why Red is important. I don't have quite as much in crypto assets as this employee, but it is still a significant amount. I intend to also invest in the RCT ICO. Of course, both of us are only going to invest a portion of our crypto assets, but when combined with others, it should be a significant amount.<br /><br />There are no good solutions for scripting smart contracts presently. There needs to be a tool that is easy and complete for developing smart contracts. Red is in a prime position to fill this void in an emerging market. If it is successful, this could be Red's big break (and validation of the Rebol philosophy). If it isn't wildly successful, all that is lost is some time that would need to be invested at a later date anyway in order to maintain the full-stack target of Red.<br /><br />Institutional investors don't understand blockchain because they are trying to use old knowledge to validate a new approach to currency, which doesn't necessarily map over. The Dot Com bubble bursting wasn't the end of the Internet or ecommerce, and ecommerce has moved on since then to displace many traditional forms of commerce. If we are in a cryptocurrency bubble, it won't be the end of cryptocurrency when the bubble bursts, and I believe cryptocurrency will displace much of the way currency presently works. My point in all this is that Doc needs to be looking forward. Carl was looking forward when he developed Rebol/IOS from which AltME was born. With proper marketing and development resources, AltME could be where Facebook is today (but most likely even farther). If Doc has a path planned and he has the resources and the "magic touch" of connecting with the global community, Red could be the new hot language and the backbone of something that the future is built upon.<br /><br />Honestly, I was excited for Red before, because I want to make efficient apps for a variety of OS targets. But there are too many other alternatives that aren't painful enough for most developers to warrant switching from the tools that they are already using. So Red was most likely going to be a tool only used by a small, elite group of developers. If Red/C3 can make an impact in the nascent field of smart contracts, then that could blow the doors open for Red to be a leader, and the developers that use Red/C3 could then extend their knowledge to create full-stack solutions. But first there has to be an open door for them to come through so they can see the light.<br /><br />We live in a time where there are only a few years between big leaps in technology. Surprisingly, there are always the "talking heads" that downplay or discredit those leaps before they are proven. I heard the "experts" downplay the impact of the personal computer, internetworking, email, the Internet, PDAs (personal digital assistants), mobile phones, ecommerce and cryptocurrency (among others), all which happened in the past 30 years and all which hugely impacted and shaped the way the world operates. I'd much rather prefer that Red would be part of the technology that shapes the future instead of being one of the pieces of technology that exists to fulfill a smaller purpose.Bohttp://ameridroid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-74508979169687752222017-12-27T04:58:16.933+01:002017-12-27T04:58:16.933+01:00Hi - I'm from France but living in Toronto and...Hi - I'm from France but living in Toronto and with links in SF. I've been diving into the blockchain over the past few months and got my company to do so as well. We have over 50 coders, and are looking to get further into a big play like the one you describe above, focused on fintech. Based on my observations, the consortium/private blockchain and smart contract golddiggers urgently need better tools...<br />If you want to chat, please let me know in the reply, and provide an email address where I can reach you.<br />GregGregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-90496894198670033562017-12-26T23:49:56.320+01:002017-12-26T23:49:56.320+01:00Wow! Une sacré nouvelle.
I'm happy to see the...Wow! Une sacré nouvelle.<br /><br />I'm happy to see the project continuing to progress. But I also wonder about the approach.<br /><br />On one side, I'm strongly convinced that "blockchain styles" of technologies will have a huge impact on the future of IT. In the same time I'm sure that RED is a fantastic programming language, even more than a programming language.<br /><br />After reading the article of Nenad, my question is: doing both in one project... isn't too ambitious ? <br /><br />I hope not, and I still believe in you. I expect to see the Red project progressing faster and reach a critical mass of users quickly. <br /><br />I wish you all the best for this project. I'll continue to follow and support it.Goldevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11806378997997553509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-46217228623817032862017-12-26T21:59:04.470+01:002017-12-26T21:59:04.470+01:00Strange.. my reply to this post still not visible ...Strange.. my reply to this post still not visible after a few hours.iArnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07150237639041884286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-41757119743727442892017-12-26T19:47:54.133+01:002017-12-26T19:47:54.133+01:00And for the visitors that do not already know: one...And for the visitors that do not already know: onetom is Tamas from the article.iArnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07150237639041884286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-8004734083112370652017-12-26T19:45:52.834+01:002017-12-26T19:45:52.834+01:00The problem on Red is not the open source vs close...The problem on Red is not the open source vs closed source, it is the other stuff that bloatware *can already do* that proves bloatware to be right because obviously you need bloatware to provide the missing necessities.<br />iArnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07150237639041884286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-70333247759529344302017-12-26T18:31:59.394+01:002017-12-26T18:31:59.394+01:00I have been investing in cryptocurrencies since 20...I have been investing in cryptocurrencies since 2012, and look forward to the Red team growing and the opportunity to invest in it.<br /><br />Even so, I would've loved for Red to be more complete first. However, with the additional resources that the ICO will provide, we may end up getting to 1.0 faster in the end.<br /><br />BTW, from recent conversations I've had with Carl in the past week, I believe he is on a similar page to Doc regarding this direction. If Carl wasn't so invested in Roku, he might be working in the same direction. Bohttp://ameridroid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-12635696836619825912017-12-26T17:58:11.191+01:002017-12-26T17:58:11.191+01:00The post does mention NEO...The post does mention NEO...onetomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02979871120845520534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-30186524250133609832017-12-26T17:28:54.350+01:002017-12-26T17:28:54.350+01:00Thanks for the ivy-lang link; that was new to me!
...Thanks for the ivy-lang link; that was new to me!<br /><br />I do realize there is a lot more potential in bitcoin's scriptability.<br />I was a long-time forth programmer before I got into Rebol. :)<br /><br />MAST is an amazing technique too:<br />https://bitcointechtalk.com/what-is-a-bitcoin-merklized-abstract-syntax-tree-mast-33fdf2da5e2f<br /><br />worth reading the related paper too; it's short and clear:<br />http://www.mit.edu/~jlrubin/public/pdfs/858report.pdfonetomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02979871120845520534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-41018255809724160802017-12-26T17:05:05.767+01:002017-12-26T17:05:05.767+01:00"Blockchain tech" is a bit broad term......"Blockchain tech" is a bit broad term...<br /><br />A lot of the current tooling, like sending transactions, compiling smart contracts or the test environment doesn't have to be long-running processes, hence the GC is largely irrelevant for those applications and these are actually the primary areas where Red can help a lot.<br /><br />Regarding advocacy, I totally feel your pain; I had the same experience with Rebol in the past.<br />Red is open-source though and exhibits a steady progress, so its story should pan out differently!<br />It takes more time than we all would like, but then no one else managed to pull the same results off what Red is aiming for...onetomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02979871120845520534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-28927119543342728352017-12-26T17:04:45.995+01:002017-12-26T17:04:45.995+01:00Be sure to show demos of your work to the Vyper te...Be sure to show demos of your work to the Vyper team at Ethereum Research.<br /><br />https://github.com/ethereum/vyper<br /><br />You can also post partial deaigns for feedback at https://ethresear.ch.<br /><br />Looking forward to your progress. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18443757067726295839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-71442905966463363892017-12-26T15:02:09.087+01:002017-12-26T15:02:09.087+01:00I largely agree with Frank on this issue.
Building...I largely agree with Frank on this issue.<br />Building blockchain tech without proper GC, or 64 bit support and just basic I/O imo again putting first things last.<br />Then we can go and buy in for voting rights to what should be done first and then get a place in the community development where we can work on it and getting 'paid' from our own ICO results? If priorities had been set right earlier the community would have been way bigger and development on CCC stuff on its way too. <br />I wish you all the best, but everywhere I show off Red language I come across all the same objections over and over again and I can assure you that doing Red advocacy does not wear well.iArnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07150237639041884286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-82940319072808839062017-12-26T15:01:47.630+01:002017-12-26T15:01:47.630+01:00This is not very cautious to pretend being able to...This is not very cautious to pretend being able to revolution a prospective and immature domain and not having finished the basic bricks of it's own tools before. Even less to tie up a whole community on it.<br /><br />I'm not against, everyone takes the risks he wants, but it seems to drift further and further from the initial idea of Carl.<br /><br />I only hope that the community does not turn around to see that it has lost focus to lock itself into a niche. If it's done well it can also open several parallel channels to finish the language and provide connectors for many applications.<br /><br /><br /><br />Wait and see.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-83291312583806424352017-12-26T12:45:20.451+01:002017-12-26T12:45:20.451+01:00Here is another great, technical, but very digesta...Here is another great, technical, but very digestable and well illustrated intro video for those who are just getting into blockchains:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBC-nXj3Ng4<br /><br />It was recommended by @9214 on the red/blockchain gitter.im chat:<br />https://gitter.im/red/blockchain?at=5a41340aba39a53f1a9fae74onetomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02979871120845520534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-87118413001041824502017-12-26T12:30:43.465+01:002017-12-26T12:30:43.465+01:00Frank, I also share the worry that this blockchain...Frank, I also share the worry that this blockchain project would delay the Android support which might have an even larger impact on the software industry on the short term, than blockchain support. BUT as Nenad said in the post, he didn't make this decision easily.<br /><br />Look at the good side of it though!<br />Defining this specific, practical, real-world project of providing a blockchain development toolchain, should help informing Red's future development and I think it will help to mature it faster.onetomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02979871120845520534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-25434288029615336392017-12-26T12:12:01.295+01:002017-12-26T12:12:01.295+01:00I'm supporting some projects on Patreon:
https...I'm supporting some projects on Patreon:<br />https://www.patreon.com/user?u=2375354<br /><br />One of them is the Matrix/Riot.im project.<br />As a supported I get access to their project update videos.<br />From those videos I've learnt about how troublesome is it to accept money through their crowdfunding platforms and they can't even get enough support that way.<br />(they have raised some of their funding in cryptocurrencies, btw ;)<br /><br />On the other hand, please look beyond the funding aspect!<br />There is a pressing need to simplify blockchain application development.<br />Given Red's track record of being able to effectively remove complexity, Red is a very likely candidate for solving such problems.onetomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02979871120845520534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-54834246449776094042017-12-26T11:03:35.949+01:002017-12-26T11:03:35.949+01:00WutWutNathan DaCostahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03905871461173359544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-6344576220989465512017-12-26T05:22:33.710+01:002017-12-26T05:22:33.710+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brian Dickenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01873914328480997979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-13391976958907563112017-12-26T04:49:52.203+01:002017-12-26T04:49:52.203+01:00Merry ChristmasMerry ChristmasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-67769715797659435832017-12-26T04:41:19.142+01:002017-12-26T04:41:19.142+01:00Also interested in how to be a part of the ICO.Also interested in how to be a part of the ICO.Zacharyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08644793395437219275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936111837781935054.post-4721855154442483122017-12-26T04:05:49.007+01:002017-12-26T04:05:49.007+01:00Welp might take a break from Nim lolWelp might take a break from Nim lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17290379400889513013noreply@blogger.com